Ms. Pinto, you burst onto the international stage in 2008 with Slumdog Millionaire and soon afterwards worked with directors like Woody Allen, Julian Schnabel, and Michael Winterbottom. But since 2011 you have only appeared in one feature film. Where’ve you been?
I have been pursuing my passion for telling stories as a producer. And I have to say, it’s very trying because getting an independent film off the ground in today’s day and age is a lot harder than one might think. You might think there’s so much money rolling in from everywhere, but it’s not rolling into the projects you want to make. It’s rolling into the Hunger Games franchise and Transformers. Since 2012 I’ve been quite busy producing two films and a documentary film which is going to launch itself as a campaign for girl’s rights called Girl Rising.
What made you want to do that rather than push your own career?
Well if I can secure a future for the future, then my future also gets better. I have asked myself, “Why am I producing a documentary film which has nothing for me to gain in terms of money or in terms of popularity or exposure?” But then I think about it and go, “Well, that’s not what life is about.” If the world opens up to the idea that every girl should be educated, then we’re fighting less against the system. We’re creating the work force right now to go out there and make it easier for my children, my grandchildren, my grandchildren’s children. So for me it’s like a vested interest, man! It’s definitely not going to be gratifying in the present, but that’s fine. It’s definitely not a career decision. It’s more of a human decision.
Recently there’s been a kind of backlash against the idea of celebrity charity, for example with Band Aid. How do you avoid that?
Sometimes it does get a bad rap because people just do it for publicity or for the sake of changing a bad reputation, like, “Let me save a child in Africa and I’ll have a different image.” So yeah, it’s a real problem when that happens and people don’t trust that you’re really out there supporting a cause that comes from a passionate place. For me, I really have not been interested in any kind of publicity whatsoever. I can talk about girls’ education and girls’ rights for hours and hours and hours, but I will only do it if someone sitting in front of me will understand why I’m doing it.
As an advocate for women’s rights did you have any hesitation playing a stripper in Bruno Mars’ music video for “Gorilla?”
No, that’s what I do, I’m an actor. I had trained for a year as a dancer and then Bruno asked me about this video and it was a character that I have never been offered in a film before. I didn’t care about any backlash because everybody I knew loved it. I even shared it with my mom and my dad and they understood that it was just part of my character. They’re not too bothered by it. If you’re bothered by it, change the channel.
“Only when you’re comfortable with who you are can you present yourself as your true self.”
Do you feel like you’re fighting against conservative social norms, especially because you grew up in India?
No, I find myself fighting against things that are common amongst the entire women’s race, like fighting for sensible roles in films. Why are the only two lines that this character is saying in the film “save me” or “help me?” Why are we so helpless in films? We’re not so helpless in real life, so why are we so helpless in films? That’s the only thing I find myself fighting against, but not social norms that someone else feels that they can dictate. The kind of films my dad made me watch growing up were all women-centric films…
Did he do that on purpose?
I don’t know if it was his conscious decision. I don’t think so, because he’s not the type of person who premeditates things. But Mirch Masala was definitely one of my favorite films growing up and it was in college that I really started getting exposed to world cinema and fell madly in love with Wong Kar-wai and that’s when I realized that I don’t want the films I make to be just for India or just for America. I really would love for the films, or anything that I do, to be something that the world can enjoy. I always wanted something on an international level. But I remember always telling my sisters that there was absolutely no way I would strike it big England or America or anywhere else in the world just because they’re not open to India.
It’s true, the international success of Slumdog Millionaire was unprecedented for a film with an all-Indian cast. Even though that was your dream, was it a struggle for you to be thrown onto the world stage so suddenly?
I don’t think it was a struggle at all, actually. I absolutely enjoyed it. A lot of it was also like I was on a drug, the most beautiful drug ever. It was my version of LSD or ecstasy. I was just looking around going, “That tree is the most beautiful tree I’ve ever seen in my life!” You’re just riding the wave and you don’t know where you’re going to land when it settles, but while you are riding the wave you just put your best self out there and enjoy it. You’re going to land somewhere and you’re going to have to move from there. I enjoyed the high, though.
Which you’ll probably never have again since it was the first time…
Exactly, so that’s why I didn’t want to waste any time struggling with it. Risks are very important to me. It’s the only thing that will define the next career move or else I’ll be plateauing. I’ll be completely stale if I don’t take risks. And that’s not just my career. In music, writing, producing, you have to take risks. The formula gets old after a while and people start seeing through it. I love what Slumdog Millionaire did for me and my career, but it also did give people this image like, “Here comes sunshine!” To which I just go, “Hmm, no.”
I think the perception of Indian actors in the western world is generally like that for some reason.
Yeah, I think so. Family values, demure and poised, and… ugh, God. When I go into a meeting, or put myself on tape for an audition, I think that it’s very, very important for me to make sure that if the person who’s seeing it already has the idea that this is a coy, shy girl, that I break that perception. Break it with the first line that comes out of my mouth because otherwise they’re going to watch the whole audition or sit through the entire meeting thinking, “Oh, such a sweet girl, but I don’t really think so.”
So you go in talking like Ray Winstone?
I used to never abuse in meetings before, but I abuse in every day life. My parents don’t like it, but I realized that that’s just me so now I do – unless there are children around or something. Then I don’t want to be going, “Fuck this, fuck that, and that fucking piece of shit…” But I’m just myself. I want the person in front of me to know that I’m only human. And that comes with confidence, believe it or not. And questioning, “Who am I? Am I comfortable with who I am?” Only when you’re comfortable with who you are can you present yourself as your true self. It took a while, but now that I’m there I’m very comfortable.
Source: The Talk
FROM THE WAYNE MCGREGOR INTERVIEW: “I SEE BEAUTY IN THE DYSFUNCTIONAL”
Mr. McGregor, how would you describe your unique style of choreography?
I see beauty in things that are dysfunctional rather than just pure line and shape. The aspiration of classical ballet has often been about a kind of grace and effortlessness and lyricism in the body, an instrument that’s in fantastic motion. I think that’s really beautiful and really interesting, but I also think there’s a whole other range of physical potential that a human body can do. So, I’m interested in that side of it. I’m interested in bodies misbehaving.
Where do you think that comes from?
I’ve always had a very long body, so I’ve been able to do things differently. I was doing body-popping and a lot of club stuff when I was around 18, when rave culture came around. That kind of permeates the way in which you see people move. I’ve not been in a classical ballet school — where you’ve seen bodies move in a particular way — since the age of eight.
“Everybody carries their own physical history, so it doesn’t matter if you’ve trained in hip-hop or body-popping or classical ballet. It’s all the same, really.”
You never had any traditional ballet training?
No! And that’s why it was so strange that I would get these really amazing jobs at places like The Royal Ballet, where I was the first resident choreographer who had never trained in a royal ballet. But I don’t think any of that matters. Being a choreographer is about the biomechanics and signature of the body. Everybody carries their own physical history, so it doesn’t matter if you’ve trained in hip-hop or body-popping or classical ballet. It’s all the same, really.
Did you go back to school to gain the technical knowledge necessary to talk to professional dancers?
Kind of. I did a degree in choreography and semiotics, as well as contemporary dance training, but I got my practice in ballet through actually doing it, right? So the first time you ever work with somebody on pointe shoes, you ask them, “What can you do?” I had no idea what you can do! But less important than knowing how the pointe shoe works is to have good dancers in the room who, when you say, “Can you do that?” they can go, “Oh no, but I can do this.”
Your approach to teaching choreography seems to rely more on collaboration than authority.
It’s a dialogue. I try to work with the best people possible and suck out their brilliance as much as possible. The job of a choreographer is to find what’s personal to them. When I worked with Thom Yorke, for example, I found out that he’s an amazing dancer. Full stop. He doesn’t really need a choreographer.
So you based the choreography around his natural movement?
Right and I think it should be like that for everyone! The “Lotus Flower” video is choreographed but it comes from him, so he feels he owns it already. He’s giving it to me, and I’m just helping him form it in a different way. When you’ve got somebody so extraordinary, it’s exciting for a choreographer; it’s effortless. Sometimes technique gets in the way of letting dancers be curious and open and try new things. Their idea of physical beauty gets in the way of them exploring. For me, there’s no point in being an artist now and just repeating things that happened in the past.
Source: The Talk
OLE SCHEEREN TALKS: “HOW CAN WE BREAK THE MOLD?”
Mr. Scheeren, what experiences would you say changed your understanding of the world?
I think when you grow up in Europe, almost no matter where, you have a very sheltered idea of how things are. So going backpacking through China 25 years ago really confronted me with a reality that was unimaginable. Simply the amount of people around you, a completely different definition of personal space, of how things would work, of how people live… The main reason to go was that I knew nothing about the world, and China seemed the most impenetrable. Somehow that trip was a discovery of a reality that I had no idea about before. It was quite a transformative moment for me because it liberated me.
Liberated you from what?
It showed me that things could be dramatically different but maybe equally valid or equally interesting. For instance, I think that the power in China was not in holding on to its past in the way that other developed nations do, it was in the complete focus on the future. There was very little sentimental baggage. It was simply a search for how to progress. That experience was very raw, you could feel this incredible energy somehow in that country. People were hungry for things to happen, people were interested in what the future could be.
“That strong sense of courageousness was a very exciting context for an architect to engage with.”
Ma Yansong says architects should involve the public more when envisioning the future of urban planning.
Well, that strong sense of courageousness, that strong sense of demand, or exploration, was a very exciting context for an architect to engage with. It wasn’t just about how could we stick to what we already know but how can we rethink things for which there are no particular models. For example, in China, someone came to us and said, “We want to build a bookshop that is 100,000 square-meters large.” And you go, “What do you mean? Not even a public library is that size!” But then you visit an existing bookstore in Seoul that is half that size and it’s completely full of people. You see that energy and that density and you think, “Of course you can double it!” But at first it sounds like a completely implausible idea.
But bigger doesn’t always mean better…
True. What is important is to not simply succumb to the generic production of quantity and built mass, but to really ask how could we develop models out of this inevitable density, that are much more valuable towards us as human beings — towards a question of how we want to live, what is the quality of our life, and how do we want to exist in a city that grows extensively. I think we’ve been quite successful in finding clients that were ultimately willing to engage in these dialogues to see how we can break the mold, how we can, in a very literal way, open the skyscraper up to the life of people.
Like with your Interlace apartment complex in Singapore?
Exactly, the Interlace was a redefinition of a building as something that was no longer just an object, but a connective tissue that would form a huge community. The way the building blocks are stacked up forms huge gardens and courtyards, so it was about defining the space to live in that would allow you an incredible degree of freedom to decide for yourself. I think that’s what ultimately makes for an incredible quality of life in that place. Another example is the Sky Forest project in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. For that, we imagined the nature that you could soak up in the middle of a very dense, emerging part of the city.
Have you ever been surprised by how people inhabited your buildings?
In a way, that’s the best thing that can happen, when people are inspired enough to make their own story out of it. It’s not that they have to live your story — I think that would be a rather oppressive scenario. Architecture should never be too prescriptive in terms of telling you what to do. I think it’s actually brilliant when people find ways to reinterpret the spaces we create. For example, by complete coincidence, I found on the Internet a girl living at the Interlace who had posted a series of “My Life at the Interlace” videos, where she rollerblades throughout the complex — that was really a great moment. We couldn’t have scripted anything as good as that.
Source: The Talk
DAVID OYELOWO SAYS: “YOU ARE NOT THE CENTER”
Mr. Oyelowo, how do you approach playing a historical character?
It’s a very tricky thing because of course you have to be evocative of who they were, how they moved, how they spoke. You have to make people relax and say, “Okay, he feels like him enough that I can just go on this journey with this character.” But if it becomes an imitation, if it’s about mimicry, if all people were saying is, “Oh, yeah, he really got the voice,” you’re dead! That’s the worst compliment you can pay.
Because when you go to see a movie, there is a spiritual exchange between the audience and what you’re watching. There is something metaphysical going on, where through the eyes, through what that person is exuding, you go, “I understand who they are. I have a sense of what they’re feeling when they’re not even talking.” There is an embodiment that is total so that you forget all of that. People shouldn’t be looking at the mechanics of what you did.
What should they be looking at?
How you did it emotionally. I believe that we go to the movies to see ourselves. “How would I react?” If all you’re seeing is a superhuman human being who had answers for everything, then you’re just watching in awe and it’s just like, “Okay, wow, he’s him and I’m me.” So I think it’s important that we can see ourselves on screen and I think that also means that we’re looking for the greatness in ourselves.
Is it important for your work to inspire people to be better?
It is important to me! I want to do films that hopefully inspire people to be the best version of themselves. If you look at the films I do, all of them, in some way… the remit I set myself is, “How does this enrich people’s lives?” You know, what’s meaningful? I want films that, when my kids see them, they understand why daddy did those films. They understand how it correlates with the way I’m trying to raise them.
Did you gain that perspective when you became a father?
Being a father teaches you very quickly that you are not the center of your own universe. That’s one of the gifts of having to wipe poop! (Laughs) Other people’s poop… Four times, with four children! I’ll be on a plane tomorrow back to my kids, lock my door, and it’ll all be about poop again! (Laughs) That’s the life I lead.
I’m sure that makes it easier to focus on the important things in life.
The fact of the matter is that every actor’s career has highs and lows. When success as an actor comes early, it’s very easy to believe the hype. But to me, it’s about how consistently you do the work – whether it’s celebrated or it’s not. I’ve been in movies with huge movie stars who have been crucified when there are failures and who have been adulated when there are successes.
In the last few years you’ve been in The Help, Lincoln, The Butler, and most recently you portrayed Martin Luther King, Jr. in Selma. Why is it so important for you to make films about African-American history?
We need those films. Up until recently, films that deal with civil rights and racial unrest have mostly been told through white characters, through white protagonists. Malcolm X is probably the only film I can think of where you have an indisputable black American leader as the focus of the film. What you’ve tended to have is Mississippi Burning or you have Glory or you have these films that are all through white protagonists. Great films – but a different point of view. You can’t have a film about Dr. King and it be all about Lyndon Johnson in my opinion.
Why do you think there are so many films about African Americans coming out of Hollywood lately?
I think it’s synonymous with Barack Obama’s presidency. I think having a black president means that for a lot of white people there is an opportunity to not just focus on what’s negative about the past, but we have clear indications of progress, so it becomes easier to go: “How did we get here, historically? How have we got to the point where we have a black president?” All these films, they were just not getting made before his presidency. I actually saw President Obama about two weeks ago when we took Selma to the White House, and I thanked him for my career.
What was his reaction?
He went, “Ah, I don’t know about that.” But I told him, “Trust me. I can track when these films came my way!” I can chart it because it’s synonymous with when I moved to L.A. I’ve been in five of those movies! So I think that’s what it is.
And last year 12 Years a Slave even won the Oscar for Best Picture.
But a film about a slave is different than a film about a leader. Black people have been celebrated as slaves and butlers… The very first black person to win an Oscar was for playing a maid in Gone With The Wind, Hattie McDaniel. So, you know, that’s not an issue. We’ve been celebrated as subservient people forever. Great! Fabulous! As leaders? No, not so much. Barely ever.
To quote Dr. King, do you believe that the arc of the moral universe bends towards justice in the end?
I think it does – if love is where you’re operating from. I think if you have anger and bitterness in your heart, and you just decide to lash out against it, all you do is you feed prejudice because prejudice exists on the basis that you are lesser than. If you prove that you are lesser than, you are only going to perpetuate that myth. I think there is a reason why the phrase is moral because to be moral is to absolutely embrace the fact that there is a right and there is a wrong. So the only way it bends towards justice is to be part of the solution as opposed to being part of the problem.
Source: The Talk
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